RY, DB and GS

These three financial institutions do not have that much in common but they tend to go in the same direction much of the time;

RY sept 2011

The Royal is down roughly 25% and,if the count is correct, not yet at an initial low. As indicated in a previous blog $43 is about the mean level over the past ten or so years (see previous blog), and it seems to want to go there. The DB and GS are following similar counts;

DB sept 2011 gs sept 2011

There are a number of variations and with the RY and DB it is not entirely clear when the down-trend actually started but what they do have in common is that none of them are complete!

Three banks ? GS , DB , RY.

Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank and our own Royal Bank. Of course it is debatable whether or not GS is in fact a bank or just a bank of convenience, but all three are very prominent in their respective communities and are both very visible and influential . The RY is actually the largest at a cap. of 72 bln and pays the best dividend yield at 4.41% and has a p/e of 13+.  For GS the numbers are 57 bln. , 1.25% yield and a p/e of 8.5 . Deutsche is the smallest at 37 bln, pays 2.76% and trades at a p/e of 10.2. Here are the three charts.

3banks ry 3banks gs  3banks db

       Royal Bank                                 Goldman Sachs                          Deutsche Bank

From 2002 to 2007 they all roughly triple in value. Then they all crash right back to that starting point or a little below. Then we get the rebound with RY having the most powerful advance of all , even making  new highs. GS and DB start dropping immediately but the Royal actually makes a second high (does not show properly on this chart, but the second high is $0.30 or so higher). Then all three start breaking down. Together they look like this.

3banks tohether

Santander, STD, the Spanish big boy I have left out, it gets too messy otherwise, but it fits in between Deutsche and Goldman. There are some conclusions that might be drawn from these charts. First it does not matter much what regulations were put on the books or taken off. It clearly helps to have political clout something presumable GS excels in but the others are not that far behind , I am sure. So the moral of the story is they are all going lower, given the pattern, and that suggests that RY is royally overvalued.

GS Goldman Sachs Jan 2010

Here is GS to compare with JNJ below. With this one we hit the nail on the head, recommending it at the precise low for a suggested target of $165. Again we slightly underestimated the force of the rebound as the stock climbed  a little higher.

GS Jan 26 2010

GS, Goldman Sachs (Bank!) June 12 update

gsjune12

Once again, not yet at the original target of $160 but sufficiently high to sell for an almost 300% gain (sorry original predates this blog). The wedge-like shape as well as the deteriorating MACD and RSI warn that it is time to vacate this one and move on if not already done. As a comparison below is BAC which (also predictable) did the exact same thing but did go higher but not on a relative basis. Thereafter it did crash, which is not necessarily what must happen to GS, evenso it could.

bac-june12