MS, Morgan Stanley

Both MS and GS have recently gone through a rather wild roundtrip. In the vase of Goldman it was up some $30/35 and then back down again. Morgan Stanley did a little less but on a proportionate basis , quite a bit more. Up $8/9 and back down again, almost. Those are like 80% moves, at least on the upside and we almost caught it but unfortunately did not jump on the situation wholeheartedly. MS is now again approaching that $10 level, after moving down in a relatively clean 5-waves. The initial move up looks to be an a-b-c so it is probably counter-trend which does not bode well for the long term. But it is worth remembering that the price paid for Bear Sterns was upped from an original $4 to $10. For a classier outfit like MS that may well be a bottom of sorts. Perhaps we are in a large flat of sorts and we could again double in value in a very short period of time if things go right.

GS is in a similar position but at $87 it is not that obviously at “rock-bottom”.

XAU, The Philadelphia Gold & Silver index and The Stuff.

XAU Nov 2010

This chart is precisely a year old. It shows the A-triangle B – C pattern indicating that this index was coming to the end of its ride. The high point was around 224 at the time. The index, of course, contains 13 or 16 of the major gold producers, ABX, G, K, NEM Agnico etc.etc. and represents the body of senior gold miners well. Here is where we are today;

xau nov 2011

The start of this chart corresponds with the end of the one above. It covers an entire year and has three tops, the first approximately at the level where THE top was expected a year ago. The next two tops are lower!, so we end up with lower highs and lower lows which excludes the possibility of an expanding triangle (megaphone) or any other known pattern. The first down leg leaves something to be desired but nevertheless is most likely a 5-wave affaire. The next two down legs are both definitely 5 waves. The counter legs are all 3-waves and most clearly so. Ergo this is most likely a series of three1-2 that are invariable followed by a virtual collapse,which might look as follows;

xau nov 2011 b

In the big picture it is not clear if we are looking at a 5th wave or a B-wave into the latest top. Fortunately as far as the immediate outcome is concerned it does not matter. A realistic target is in the order of about 60 or lower. Note that if you look at the thin red line in this chart, that the XAU just two or three weeks ago was trading at levels where it had first been 6 years ago! The spread between the stuff and the miners has widened with each passing year.

XAU and gold spread.

The blue is the stuff and the yellow is the XAU. You missed out on a 200% relative gain by owning the miners. If the stuff comes down as it must as there is not a single investor left that is not long, one can only wonder at what might happen to the miners.

TCK.B Teck

tck nov 2011

Teck has a real good looking a-b-c for the month of October. This tells us that we are not there yet. At least a 5th wave is required to finish this leg down, that may be after this correction becomes more complex or straight away. The count shown is a little dicey but the a-b-c is not. Look for new lows.